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Rip internet 2017-12-14

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27 comments, last by Finalspace 6 years, 5 months ago
On 12/13/2017 at 11:37 AM, Finalspace said:

Also i expect this will affect all other countries as well, not immediately but slowly but surely

They tried to bring in a water charge in Ireland in the last year or two inline with EU regulations, and are now currently refunding the minority of people who paid bills as a mass boycott ensued- I could imagine the backlash of something similar happening in this case. I'm pretty sure the EU has regulated for net neutrality in some form here any way- so ive no real concern of this happening anytime soon in Europe.
I admittedly haven't been following this too much, as it doesn't really affect me, but the impression im getting is that no one in the public wishes for this to happen, but yet the government are going to do it anyway, regardless of all the protesting.. It seems to be public corruption, that no one seems to be able to stop, which is worrying.
Maybe it will backfire, and will open competition - I could only image if one company started advertising services where they would not throttle connections etc. they would suck up customers- and then to stay competitive, the other ISP's would have to follow suit- but from the comments above, it doesnt look like there is much choice in ISP's around America- maybe this will also change

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Well it will start that ISP´s slows down your current internet connection.

In that process slow/fast lanes will be introduced, so you have to pay a ton of money to get back the same speed for the same services you was using in the past before (Streaming, Shops, News, Social, Porn, Games, etc.).

Including that they will favour their services from others heavenly and still slow down competitors.

In addition big companies like facebook, google, amazon, microsoft must may million of dollars to get favored in a fast-lane as well.

Next every connection will get heavenly limited by traffic, like 1 GB a month and you will get dropped to 128 kb speed when you reach that limit. Of course paying more money will increase that traffic. In germany we already have that kind of limitation for any mobile services already - its just f..... up.

Last thing will happen that some pages including VPN or list of server addresses will be full on blocked at will by your ISP. And i see that the current adminitration will have full control over that. Welcome to china!

 

The only hope i have is that the next administration may revoke this bullcrap...

Well, it's official. Net neutrality rules have been repealed. Now we see what happens. There are people who are right now suing the FCC. So it begins.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

2 hours ago, deltaKshatriya said:

Well, it's official. Net neutrality rules have been repealed. Now we see what happens. There are people who are right now suing the FCC. So it begins.

It's ok, I'm sure you can trust the big ISPs

oh wait....

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I hope this never happen to Europe and I hope that Americans will go outside and fu*k-up the streets, this is despicable. how can anyone agree on such thing.

P.S. If this thing happened in Greece I would suspect that there wouldn't be a country called Greece by now :D

On 12/13/2017 at 2:03 PM, Scouting Ninja said:

I agree with you but once a investor sees that there is a huge customer base upset with how things work, they will feel it's safe to move in.

Yes, precisely. They do have competitors who just couldn't get a hold in that territory, if they throttle there networks and there competitors don't it could be the deciding factor.

People like water and electricity always take the path of least resistance, after all this is why game theory even exists.

 

Throttling is a double edged sword, it will provide the companies with means to make more money at the cost of customer satisfaction.

I totally agree. In the end of the day it's all about money just like everything else... even gaming. No one does anything for fun anymore!

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It's uncertain what will happen, but I don't believe that most of the hysteria around the issue is true.
From my knowledge the Net Neutrality rules are what prevents the Telecoms from fining media companies like Google and Netflix for using so much infrastructure or something. So, now that they are gone, Google and Netflix and all the other companies that produce internet media will probably lose money because of this. I think that the reason that everyone is so upset about the internet and all the misinfo spread around is a result of the internet media companies collectively lobbying to all internet users to oppose Net Neutrality, this is why on lobbying sites like battleforthenet.com there is a giant page of sponsors- the reason is because they knew that a repeal would cost them a lot of money, so they invested in lobbying efforts like that. Outsourcing the lobbying to the general population, by telling them that the internet will vanish tomorrow, or something terrible like that, is a pretty cheap way of lobbying the government and also attaches political capital to the issue.

In the future I do not think that the telecoms will make my internet more expensive- they already have a monopoly, and thus they charge me how much they think I will pay already. They already could have made it more expensive. The real money comes from throttling Netflix and making them pay more money (like how Comcast tried to do in 2014 or something, this was deemed illegal because it violated Net Neutrality). So, maybe things will get worse, maybe they will get better. Both sides are arguing not because they are right, but because they have money on the line. So, I can't say that I will believe Google just because it is a media corporation and is better at spreading it's message than Comcast.

2 hours ago, ika_ said:

It's uncertain what will happen, but I don't believe that most of the hysteria around the issue is true.
From my knowledge the Net Neutrality rules are what prevents the Telecoms from fining media companies like Google and Netflix for using so much infrastructure or something. So, now that they are gone, Google and Netflix and all the other companies that produce internet media will probably lose money because of this. I think that the reason that everyone is so upset about the internet and all the misinfo spread around is a result of the internet media companies collectively lobbying to all internet users to oppose Net Neutrality, this is why on lobbying sites like battleforthenet.com there is a giant page of sponsors- the reason is because they knew that a repeal would cost them a lot of money, so they invested in lobbying efforts like that. Outsourcing the lobbying to the general population, by telling them that the internet will vanish tomorrow, or something terrible like that, is a pretty cheap way of lobbying the government and also attaches political capital to the issue.

In the future I do not think that the telecoms will make my internet more expensive- they already have a monopoly, and thus they charge me how much they think I will pay already. They already could have made it more expensive. The real money comes from throttling Netflix and making them pay more money (like how Comcast tried to do in 2014 or something, this was deemed illegal because it violated Net Neutrality). So, maybe things will get worse, maybe they will get better. Both sides are arguing not because they are right, but because they have money on the line. So, I can't say that I will believe Google just because it is a media corporation and is better at spreading it's message than Comcast.

There is something missing here: Since net neutrality is gone, the ISP´s have legally full control to do whatever they want to do without any real concerns.

- They can legally full on deny access to any arbitary sites/services/server however they want.

- They can legally prefer their services over competitor services by changing the priority/speed of things or full on deny competition services all together.

- They can legally throttle or limit your internet connection arbitary. (These may not be true for all ISP´s!)

- They can legally increase the costs of your internet connection, which will happen automatically when the first two points are invoked.

 

So is this a good thing? For the money of the ISP´s yes, for users? No definitily not.

I dont mind paying a bit more for streaming and such, but i fully disagree that services/connections get throttled or limited in any but i will expect this will happen in this to next year dramatically - including other countries following and dropping net neutrality as well...

 

So lets stop here, wait for a year and come back to this thread and talk what happened - maybe i am totally wrong, maybe i am not. We will see.

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